Tuesday, March 6, 2012

CAIR should not deny help to any Muslim

CAIR fights against bigotry and will reject any suggestion that a Muslim be denied Justice because one is not Muslim enough.  Should someone seek help of CAIR, they will not deny it to any one, particularly if someone calls himself or herself a Muslim. They are welcome to clarify it.  The suggestions floated here sound like bigotry;  i.e. if you are taken into an emergency room of a hospital, you should get the medical care only if you are American enough.   

This information is also posted at www.WorldMuslimCongress.org and the forums World MuslimCongress@yahoogroups.com, Dallas Pakistanis@yahoogroups.com, and  Irving_Muslims@yahoogroups.com,

You are welcome to share this link with your groups and friends - http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2012/03/cair-should-not-deny-help-to-any-muslim.html

Suhaib,

If we don’t speak up and remain silent, no one will be pissed off at us.  Is that the Muslim thing to do? Shouldn't a Muslim stand up for justice for every human, not just Muslims, am I wrong?

As a corollary to your statement, are you implying that the Americans Civil Liberties Union should not fight for the rights of Muslims, because they are not American enough? Is discrimination against Muslims Ok with you? That is what the right wingers are saying, to expose the true nature of Muslims to America, as you are saying about Ahmadiyya Muslims.

Brother, please revisit our value system, the value system of Islam as well as America.

I am afraid a few among us have lost our minds, the good men and women need to speak up. Your statement is very narrow.  “I think the basic question is not whether CAIR should protect the rights of Amamadi group rather the question is if CAIR considers them Muslims or not.”

Some of the statements in this thread are draconian, inhuman and unacceptable to civil societies. When someone seeks help, we have to offer it and not ask what kind of human he or she is.

 Do you want to institute rules in CAIR that before someone seeks help; they need to sign the document to prove that they are Muslims, that they declare Ahmadiyya to be Non-Muslims? Do you want  other help agencies such as women’s shelter, unemployment, social security and others to demand proof from you, that you are 100% American, if not deny you the rights?

Do you know the story of Prophet Sulaiman AS, denying food for the ones he thought were evil…. God took back that power from him. What is the lesson? Are you suggesting that we delete this lesson from Quraan because it does not fit the bigotry some of us have against fellow humans,  aka Ahmadiyya Muslims?


Do we all live in America?
Do we value American ideals of liberty and justice? Which really are Islamic?

Brother you can hate me all you want, and go behind my back and malign me as much as you want, which a handful of my fellow Muslims are doing.  But what you are doing is not the Muslim thing to do.    

May Allah guide us to imbibe the values of Islam, which are identical to the values of America, liberty and justice for all?  If your understanding of Islam is different, please speak up.  


Mike Ghouse
Committed to building a cohesive America where no American has to live in discomfort, apprehension or fear of the other.

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Suhaib Khalid wrote;

Waalikumussalam wa rahmatullah Br. Syed

I believe everybody will agree that our difference of opinion should not lead us to personal attacks as happened here just in couple of cases, but Alhamdulillah all other emails I read basically say what should be a Muslim's opinion on the issue of declaring Ahmadi group as Muslims. It is good that you as representative of CAIR gave the view which I with due respect personally disagree.

I think the basic question is not whether CAIR should protect the rights of Amamadi group rather the question is if CAIR considers them Muslims or not. The rights of Ahmadi's should be protected in the same way as CAIR protects the rights of Christians, Jews or of any other faith. The FBI, American born Muslims or converts to Islam might have confusion about the faith of Ahmadis but people like me and you (the first generation Muslim immigrants especially from Indo-Pak region) are very clear that Ahmadi place of worship can't be called a mosque though it should be protected like a church or synagogue.

Your comment "CAIR does not and is rarely called to interpret these differences by the general public" is confusing. I think the decision makers at CAIR should consult the imams of US to clarify their doubt about whether Ahmadis are Muslims or not and should not look to the general public about the issues of faith.

CAIR should give an official explanation of its view about Ahmadi's whether CAIR considers them Muslims or not. At the same time I think the issue needs a nation wide campaign form our Imams to educate the Muslims as well as non-Muslims about who Ahmadis are. I have a very good and old friend of mine in UK who is a Ahmadi. I know very well how Ahmadis established themselves in UK. I pray from the bottom of my heart that Allah swt protect CAIR from being the promoters of Ahmadi faith as Muslims in US and save us from the fitna as it spread in UK.... Aameen
Wassalam
Suhaib Khalid



On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Syed Ali <saliafz@gmail.com> wrote:

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah,

This discussion has gone way out of hand. I request everyone to please refrain from personal attacks. This is a policy decision that CAIR is currently discussing.Â

Please understand that CAIR is a civil rights advocacy organization for Muslims in particular, but when we defend the civil rights of Muslims, we indirectly defend the rights of all groups wether they be Muslim or not. We are quite aware, there are groups who say they are Muslim or Islamic, but are considered by many to be outside the realms of Islam. Â

CAIR does not and is rarely called to interpret these differences by the general public, nor does the public care.  Our working with any group should not be interpreted as an endorsement of that groups' philosophy or theology, but rather the inherent benefit to the community at large. In this particular case this is an interfaith event wherein CAIR needs to be present. Recently CAIR National called for an FBI investigation of the vandalism and/or desecration of an Ahmadiyyah Mosque in Virginia that appeared to be a "hate crime".  Our civil rights and advocacy work often extends beyond the "strict classification" as to who is or who is not Muslim, and the community cannot afford for us to discriminate in the context of our work.

We choose to work with groups based upon our mission to "Bridge understanding of Islam and Muslims...." to serve as an advocate and to defend the civil rights of the American Muslim community. Given the differences and  issues we have within our community, it is sometimes tough to navigate our mission. Please be aware, our detractors and/or enemies exploit sectarian and/or religious differences against our community.  We hope and pray that you understand our position.Â

Jaz'ak'Allah Khair






AA
Abdullah,

Again, I am appalled at your dishonesty and inability to tell the truth.

1.      I am not selling any book at this time and I have not advertised any of my products even on my websites and the many forums I manage. Look at you, you are advertising your business with your signature in the forum... I will not be petty like you but it is ironic that you write this. Those who believe you, will always believe, those who seek the truth will not, they will have to find the truth on their own.
2.     . The Neocons tell "kill the infidels, where ever you find them" to malign Islam, without telling the whole truth about it. You have chosen the same path by telling them I write for Front Page - as if I am employed by them, on the top of that, you did not tell what I wrote, do you have the balls to share that link with fellow Muslims? Two Muslims and three Neocons wrote that piece, and every word I wrote is published as is without filtering. I admire their honesty for publishing what was not palatable to them. Look at your selves and your integrity my friend, that is gross dishonesty.
3. I am repeating your words back to you - don't write until you give up the fanaticism and extremism you espouse. Remember, piety goes with humility and not arrogance and dictating others.

May Allah give you the guidance to be a Rahmat to fellow humans.

Mike Ghouse



In a message dated 3/3/2012 9:22:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, abdullahmikail@aol.com writes:
MIke Ghouse,

I am not on a stage like you trying to sell books and publicize. I am not writing for show and tell.
I have watched you and followed you for years and done the very best that I can to lead you back to the straight path, I have asked local scholars and Imams for help with you and they have tried as well to no avail. What you believe and do and follow is well documented by you, yourself, I am nothing more than a mirror to your truth...I am only pointing out what you wrote and what you said and what you did.
You are a contributing writer to FPM Magazine, a Zionist hate blog that is a vehement enemy to all Muslims and Islam, period all they do 24 - 7 is demonize and belittle and denigrate and attack Islam, and you are one of their writers. Do any of the groups you copied herein know that? That is tantamnount to an imagined Jewish person contributing to a Nazi blog that lauds the holocaust... and that imaginary Jewish person loves it. Why don''t you talk to your friends about your being so cozy with FPM Magazine? Why do you think FPM likes you so much? What you wrote for them was well filtered and not objectionable... but you are the exact type of "muslim" they want to support because they know you are in harmony with them behind the scenes.

I am stating nothing more than my honest opinion based upon the documetned evidence of your own pen and your own words...don't shoot the messenger, focus on the message...read your own writings and reflect on it...return everything you have ever written to the Quran and the Sunnah.
Does it stand up to that test, does it agree with the Quiran and the Sunnah?
When it is returned to the Quran and Sunnah to see if it is Islam most of what you have written, stood for, publicly proclaimed burns up into smoke...it does not stand that test that you are preaching or something else.
The evidence of your own words and actions proves that it is something else.
Please do not communicate with me until you return to Islam and abandon this ravenouse hunger you have for publicity and duniah.

Abdullah Mikail
Michael L. MacKay dba MacKay Construction & Consulting (c) 2003
Agent/Producer, Envoy Films (Just Say Go LLC)

http://www.americanramadan.com/

The latest film in post production from Envoy Films:

http://www.teawiththetaliban.com/






To: abdullahmikail@aol.com; Irving_Muslims@yahoogroups.com; worldmuslimcongress@yahoogroups.com; dallaspakistanis@yahoogroups.com
CC: amina_rab@hotmail.com; khalidazam@yahoo.com
From: MIKEGHOUSE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 10:02:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [Irving_Muslims] Re: CAIR TX doing event on "Ahmadiyya Muslim Community"?

 

AA

Abdullah,

All I can do is pray for you.
May God save you and bless us all with peace, so
when we talk, act and think, it is peace, it is Islam.

Your language sounds like you own Islam, and you had it enough with those who do not you. My friend, Islam, Allah and Prophet are not your property  to lay exclusive claims on. And, where are your manners, don't you say Salaam with Salaam? Let your Muslimness reflect in your language.

I am a Muslim for me and Allah, and not to please or pander to you or any one. Allah is my judge, and to him alone I bow and I hope you do too. I really don't care what you think of me, it is not you I am submit to , it is Allah I submit to and you not even a guardian of Allah. You are a banda just like me.  You are free to be who you are and I am free to be who I am. If you have free time, you can explore all you want about me and see the blogs listed atwww.mikeghouse.net nothing is secret about me. I am a proud Muslim with balls and no one but Allah frightens me.

My Muslimness is not defined by you, or any right winger Christian, Jew,Hindu or a Muslim. If Islam is your private club, you can bar entry, but fortunately it is God's deen with no policeman. Islam is about individual accountability to oneself and to God's universe.
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May God guide you to reflect the Muslim in you,
May Prophet bless us all, so we can be a mercy to mankind like him,
and that is the kind of Muslim IÂ aspire to be and I pray the same for you.

Jazak Allah Khair

Mike Ghouse




In a message dated 3/3/2012 8:33:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, abdullahmikail@aol.com writes:
Mike Ghouse,
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I have been politically correct and polite with you as much as humanly possible, but this is the absolute end of the road for you and I.
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You of all people have nothing to say in this regard about "Muslim" or "Non Muslim" you are the wolf in sheep's clothing lowing in the darkness just outside of the fire light seeking to mislead people, seeking to hide the path, seeking to confuse...you want to undermine true faith, you are hypocrite holding hands with Iblis and smiling.
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You pretend to be a Muslim by word only, but our deeds are evil.
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You have fabricated your own religion documented in your own web page with your own commandments, you seek at every turn in the road to cause confusion among Musilims and non Muslims alike a...for bout what Islam is...and for what, all for some personal gain?
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I have read some of the advice you have given on your web page to innocent people who were seeking Islam or to new converts who needed guidence and you turned their faces directly towards hell and told them "Run!" God knows what I wish to do to you for that.
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Return to Islam, look at the bedrock of Islam, the basic Sharia for belief, it is not difficult to understand...it is a very basic foundation...stop digging like a rat beneath it and trying to bring it down.
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Return to Islam and Be a Muslim....don't claim something that you are not, be that something, be a Muslim.
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Or stop telling people you are, and just say who you really are...because you are not fooling the believers, you are only fooling yourself and the ignorant.
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Abdullah Mikail
Michael L. MacKay dba MacKay Construction & Consulting (c) 2003
Agent/Producer, Envoy Films (Just Say Go LLC)

http://www.americanramadan.com/

The latest film in post production from Envoy Films:

http://www.teawiththetaliban.com/




-----Original Message-----
From: Mike <mikeghouse@aol.com>
To: Irving_Muslims <Irving_Muslims@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Amina Rab <amina_rab@hotmail.com>; Irving Muslims Irving Muslims <irving_muslims@yahoogroups.com>; abdullahmikail <abdullahmikail@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:32 am
Subject: Re: [Irving_Muslims] Re: CAIR TX doing event on "Ahmadiyya Muslim Community"?
AAÂ

Khalid

Amina is right, you cannot go around and verify if the one you are defending has muslim credentials, if FBI claims or one claims to be a muslim and says the shadah, defend him or her. How many Muslims does cair asks to prove to be a muslim?

The Ahmadiyya muslim story is a long battle, recently we carried an extensive discussion on the issue. Just as the rightwing Christians misquote us saying that worship moon god among other things, we the Muslims have similar failings when it comes to Ahmadiyya Muslims.

Their quraan, kalima, namaaz, roza is no different than us, there are a few contentious differences, the main one is their belief  that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is the promised messiah. The ill-treatment, persecution and harassment of them honestly makes us less of a muslim, that is not the muslim thing to do. We should not push God from his chair and become judges to call them wajib Qatal -god only is the judge and no one has a right to do shirk by becoming God and pre-empt him in passing judgements.

Most of this exchange is at worldmuslimcongress.orgÂ

We have now working on a proposal,Â

A Draft proposal to Ahmadiyya Muslims on March 2, 2012
THIS IS A DRAFT PROPOSAL
Irfan and I will develop and fine tune this after a few responses.

As a Muslim it concerns me that some among us are violating the very thing Islam stands for; to be just. Given the amount of discussions we have had on the topic, (much of which is preserved at:www.WorldMuslimCongress.org) and the contributions many have made towards the understanding, Irfan and I will make an effort to put a proposal together.

I invite positive contributions on the topic from our esteemed forum members, in 75 words or less to make this a fruitful proposal. These two forums will set the limits on this particular thread, but those who want to write more, are welcome to the unrestricted group;PaksitaniAmericans@yahoogroups.com. On these two forums, World Muslim Congress and Dallas Pakistanis, I will not post anything that is not constructive and beyond 75 words. As an example, this paragraph is 75 words.

Given below are two draft notes from me and Irfan:

A proposal for the Ahmadiyya Muslims to consider, which will lessen the hostility of a few among Sunnis and Shias towards them, and it is necessary for us to preserve the value of Islam as a religion of peace and justice.

The three easiest issues are:

THE WORD KAFIR:

Even though technically there is nothing wrong with it, as it simply means denier of my version of the truth. However it has become a derogatory word over the years. One of the Khalifas had said that anyone who does not accept Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as the promised Messiah is a Kafir, a denier.
alt="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5LMDXD2MnCk/T1GDu3SHBXI/AAAAAAAAP3w/lOxm2Pp7T_o/s1600/Shahadah.jpg" title="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5LMDXD2MnCk/T1GDu3SHBXI/AAAAAAAAP3w/lOxm2Pp7T_o/s1600/Shahadah.jpg" v:shapes="_x0000_i1026">We ask the current Khalifa Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad to make a public declaration that anyone who claims himself to be a Muslim and recites the Shahada (that is a Muslim pledge declaring that Allah is the God and Muhammad is his prophet) is a Muslim. No ifs and buts. This will make it easy for a few among us to get off the high horse and respect the Khalifas words, I will be one of them and most moderate Muslims want to hear that as well.


THE PRAYERS/NAMAZ

I have done my personal share, by going to the Ahmadiyya Masajid, pray behind the Imam leading the prayers, break the Ramadan fasts with fellow Muslim. Murabbi Saheb is a kind man, his presence and his demeanor is awe inspiring, a model Imam to respect with heart and I do that with all my heart. On the other hand a few of my Ahmadiyya friends did not reciprocate the same and were given reasons that how could they pray behind an Imam who does not believe in them. Of course, this is not a game of keeping scores; but emulating the ultimate peace maker, the Rahmatul Aalameen, the good will nurturer Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). I will continue to do my share of goodwill regardless of the results.

It will give a lot of comfort to non-Ahmadi Muslims, to see Ahmadi Muslims to swing by the nearest Mosque when the time for prayers hit, and go pray behind the Imam leading the prayers, be who it is; Shia, Sunni, Bohra, Warith Deen Muhammad or any group of Muslims where public worship is allowed.

Restrictions not to pray behind a Sunni or Shia imam must be lifted. It is not the Imam's niyyat, it is the niyyat (intent) of the banda (worshipper) to worship Allah that matters, and Masjid and imam are merely vehicles.

THOSE MUSLIMS

It is not kosher to say, that we are the peaceful Muslims and others are not; I was the other Muslim when I heard that, and I held back and talked and wrote about it, as that is the civil thing to do.

I urge the same to all Muslims not to present ourselves as angels and others as devils. It has come to haunt us in Dallas. One of the Chest thumping Muslims was excited to talk with an informant and lied about a Mosque and labeled it as funded by Saudi (as if it is evil). The idiot did not realize the mess he had created.

To most Christians, Jews and Hindus, we are all Muslims, they really don’t know the difference between an Ahmadi, Shia, Sunni… or other, just as most of us don’t know the difference between a Presbyterian, Baptist or a Methodist. If we tell them that we are the good guys, peace loving Muslims and the other Muslims are not; they simply laugh at it, and see that we are attempting to save our tail. They really don’t believe us.

They rather, see us be brutally honest. I was giving a Dinner talk to an all white Christian and Jewish group when I addressed the radicals as “some among usâ€
 don’t see what the majority sees… they really liked it. I did not stand there and tell that we are all clean good people and deny that we don’t have the bad ones among us, yes among us. They related the bad among them.

Please do share the harassment and persecution Ahmadiyya Muslims are facing in Pakistan and other Muslim majority nations. The harassment comes from the bad guys from “among us.” There is a lot of work we need to do.

I urge Hazrat Mirza Masroor to guide the Ahmadiyya Muslims to speak all the good things they are doing, and I know and appreciate that. It is a collective good that all Muslims benefit from the good things Ahmadi Muslims do.

The Sunnis do not have a leader, but they want the good for all, clarify these things for us, and for those who are no sure about Ahmadiyya, but deep down want goodness.

Mike Ghouse
Note to Irfan – they did send me the info about Kafir and Namaz, but it needs to be on their site, and part of their milieu and public declaration.


HERE IS IRFAN’S PROPOSAL

Your proposal is very well-intentioned and addresses a very pressing need of the Muslims (especially Pakistani Muslims) to reconcile their beliefs with those of the Ahmadi Muslims. I have no doubt in my mind that Ahmadis are not only Muslims, but good Muslims. They have considerable positive contribution in the progress and development of Pakistan. They are well-educated, well-behaved and civilized, extremely well-disciplined in their professional and religious life. It is very unfortunate that they are being treated so unfairly, rather cruelly because of their interpretation of the phrase khaatam-an-Nabiyyeenâ. Personally, I do not agree with their interpretation but I would not have bad feelings about them, let alone curse them openly or, worse, be an abettor in legislating a piece of constitutional amendment against their faith.

That said, I believe that a big part of the hatred that have plagued Pakistani social milieu in general, and Ahmadi Muslims in particular, is because of the thinking of their top leadership (beginning from Mirza Bashiruddin Mehmud) that anyone who does not believe in the Promised Messiahship/prophethood of Mirza G. A, is akaafir. If you recall, I posted my concern several times recently on your forum but no Ahmadi Muslim addressed my concern (it is also alleged that Sir Zafarullah Khan—the first foreign minister of Pakistan--an extremely bright mind—did not attend the M. A. Jinnah’s funeral because he did not consider (allegedly) him a Muslim). Now, if this attitude coming from the top and trickling downstream continues, I don’t think our combined efforts will bear much fruit.
You and I can very effectively make a case for anyone who believes in oneness of God, prays, gives poor-due, fasts, goes to Hajj once in a lifetime being a Muslim. But I am not sure if we can bring Mirza Tahir Ahmad sahib to the table and request him to change their (hidden) thinking (I say ‘hidden’ because, I think, they do not like to declare their inner policy for non-Ahmadis openly). If you still think it’s worth trying, I am with you 100%.
I do believe that if the Ahmadi Muslims can be convinced to change their inner thinking of considering non-Ahmadis as non-Muslims, everything else (praying behind a non-Ahmadi imam, visiting non-Ahmadi mosques, avoiding proselytization) can easily fit in the groove and the world will have a much reduced level of hostility towards them. If they can do that, that will do them and their future a lot of good. They can invite people to their conferences, invited lectures but I think they should avoid proselytization and debates as much as possible.

Who knows, so much good may come out of the change in the core pattern of Ahmadi leadership thinking that folks like you and I can, one day, make a strong case in Pak SC (hopefully I. A. Choudhry will stay as CJ) to have the 1974 second amendment repealed!

Irfan

Mike Ghouse
Committed to a cohesive America




On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Khalid Azam <khalidazam@yahoo.com> wrote:


ASAK Amina

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my concern.

Your citation of Equal Employment Opportunity does not make any sense whatsoever. As an equal opportunity employer, how many non-Muslims have the various offices of CAIR employed as full time staff so far? The answer in all probablity is Zero. Besides, the issue of CAIR endorsing Ahmadiyyas, [who in turn consider mainstream Muslims who do not believe in Ghulam Ahmed of Quadiyan a prophet as kafirs], has nothing to do with equal opportunity employment. There is no employment involved here. It is a question of what ideology CAIR is endorsing? Just as CAIR opposes ideologies like Zionism without any concern for equal opportunity employment, so is the case with the Ahmadiyya movement. CAIR has positioned itself as the leading voice of Islam and Muslims in America. If CAIR is promoting and endorsing as bona-fide Muslims, a community whose belief is in conflict with the fundamental tenets and the first pillar of Islam, then I am afraid it risks the chance of being discredited as the voice of Islam and Muslims in America and it is in everyone's interest that such a thing not happen.

As you may be aware, the Shahada of Muslims is "There is no god except Allah, and Muhammad(PUBH) is his last and final Messenger". It is universally acknowledged in the Muslim world that any person who does not believe in this tenet cannot be considered a Muslim. The Ahmadiyyas not only do not believe that Muhammad(P) is the last and final Messenger of God, but they also insists that anyone who does is a Kaafir (i.e. by insisting that any person who does not believe that Ghulam Ahmad as a Prophet is a Kaafir).

You may want to run this through the CAIR Shura Council and develop a sound and consistent position that all chapters across CAIR can adopt.

Thanks again for taking into consideration my query. I would be happy to see CAIR change its position in this regard and develop a policy that is consistent with the fundamental requirements/tenets of Islam.

Wasalaam
Khalid



From: Amina Rab <amina_rab@hotmail.com>
To: Irving Muslims Irving Muslims <irving_muslims@yahoogroups.com>; abdullahmikail@aol.com; Khalid Azam <khalidazam@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Irving_Muslims] Re: CAIR TX doing event on "Ahmadiyya Muslim Community"?

ASAK,

Please see the statement below that is also reflected on the CAIR National website.

"In complying with the letter and spirit of applicable laws and pursuing its own goal of diversity, CAIR is committed to a policy of Equal Employment Opportunity and prohibits discrimination in all its programs and activities on any legally recognized basis including, but not limited to race, age color, religion, sex, marital status, national origin, citizenship, ancestry, physical or mental disability, veteran status, or any other legally protected basis.
CAIR does not discriminate - Period It is a Civil Rights organization and we need to practice what we preach - that of equal treatment for ALL.

JAK,
Amina Rab
"Live a life of action, NOT reaction"

Surah Isra 17 verse 80 Say: "O my Lord! let my entry be by the Gate of Truth and Honor and likewise my exit by the Gate of Truth and Honor; and grant me from Thy Presence an authority to aid (me)."
Ameen,Thumameen.
Transliteration :Wa qur rabbi adkhilni mudkhala sidqinw wa akhrijni mukhraja sidqinw wa-j'al li mil ladunka sulta_nan nasira.



To: Irving_Muslims@yahoogroups.com
From: abdullahmikail@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:22:33 +0000
Subject: [Irving_Muslims] Re: CAIR TX doing event on "Ahmadiyya Muslim Community"?
Wa alaikum as salaam wa rahmat allahu wa barakatu,

Dear Brs. and Srs.,

This is a very important issue to address publicly. The greatest problem we have is in teaching the public about Islam, what is and what isn't is very important. The people see groups like this and others that are not Islam yet claim to be and then they become confused and wonder why we Muslims don't behave in and or ascribe to the "beliefs" of groups like this.

It is vitally important that we not let people in this country get confused about what Islam is.

Ahmadiyyas is not Islam.

I am politically correct as often as I can be, but this is a subject that cannot be covered over by concerns for how Ahmadiyya people feel...their feelings are not as important as the truth.

They should clearly call themselves "Ahmadiyyas" and not Muslims...there is a vast difference between what they believe and what the truth is of Islam.

We have a saying in this country, "If you talk the talk, walk the walk." and "The word and the deed go hand in hand."

In other words, if you say you are something be that something, and their foundation is not built upon Islam but an absolute rejection of it.

CAIR being a civil rights organization has every responsibility and duty to see that the Ahmadiyyas receive as much attention as any other demographic in this country...but they must not endorse them as "Muslim" because they are not.

If CAIR is going to validate this group with that title, then I have serious issuies with that line of thinking...they must or should qualify their published statements about this.

Please, every concerned member of the Muslim community contact your CAIR representative today and let them know that they must issue a press release clarifying this issue.

It is a duty, and Amana, that we Muslims are tasked with in telling the truth, and CAIR is composed of Muslims that must be held to an even higher standard of accuracy...please contact them to ask for a clarification on this issue in public so that people do not become confused.

I am not the most well behaved among us, I am overly aggressive in addressing issues, I wander frequently into error, but God forgive me, I have never condoned this level of error in public comments.

I will be contacting CAIR representatives today to address this issue, Insha Allah.

Abdullah Mikail
Michael L. MacKay dba MacKay Construction & Consulting (c) 2003
Agent/Producer, Envoy Films (Just Say Go LLC)

http://www.americanramadan.com/

The latest film in post production from Envoy Films:

http://www.teawiththetaliban.com/




--- In Irving_Muslims@yahoogroups.com, Khalid Azam wrote:
>
> ASAK
>
> FYI - While the subject of who is a Muslim and who is not is complex, it is a clear part of the universal Islamic Aqeeda that belief in Muhammad(PUBH) as the Last Prophet is required for anyone to be called a Muslim. As per the Wikipedia description, the "Ahmadiyya Muslim Community" [different from the Lahori Ahmadiyyas] believes that Ghulam Ahmad of Quadiyan was a prophet of God who received revelation from God, and those Muslims who do not believe in this are in fact Kaafir.
>
> SEE:Â http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya
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> In this respect, an organization like CAIR endorsing this group as Muslim is fraught with complications and fitnah. Note that working with members of other faiths (such as Christians, Jews, Buddhists etc) who may not believe in Islamic Aqeeda is different from recognizing and taking up the cause of a group that does not believe in Islamic Aqeeda but insists on being called Muslim. It effectively forms an implicit endorsement of the acceptance of their Aqeeda.
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Planned Muslim Response to Qur'an Burning by Pastor Jones on September 11 in Mulberry, Florida

PRESS RELEASE
August 19, 2013| Dallas, Texas

Mike Ghouse
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Mirza A Beg
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www.WorldMuslimCongress.com


PLANNED MUSLIMS RESPONSE TO QUR'AN BURNING BY PASTOR JONES ON 9/11/13 IN MULBERRY, FLORIDA

We as Muslims plan to respond to pastor Terry Jones' planned burning of 3000 copies of Quran on September 11, 2013 in positive terms.

Our response - we will reclaim the standard of behavior practiced by the Prophet concerning “scurrilous and hostile criticism of the Qur’an” (Muhammad Asad Translation Note 31, verse 41:34). It was "To overcome evil with good is good, and to resist evil by evil is evil." It is also strongly enjoined in the Qur’an in the same verse 41:34, “Good and evil deeds are not equal. Repel evil with what is better; then you will see that one who was once your enemy has become your dearest friend.”

God willing Muslims will follow the divine guidance and pray for the restoration of Goodwill, and on that day many Muslim organizations will go on a “blood drive” to save lives and serve humanity with kindness.

We invite fellow Americans of all faiths, races, and ethnicities to join us to rededicate the pledge, “One nation under God”, and to build a cohesive America where no American has to live in apprehension, discomfort or fear of fellow Americans. This event is a substitute for our 10th Annual Unity Day Celebration (www.UnitydayUSA.com) held in Dallas, but now it will be at Mulberry, Florida.

Unwittingly Pastor Jones has done us a favor by invigorating us by his decision to burn nearly 3000 copies Quran on September 11, 2013. Obviously he is not satisfied by the notoriety he garnered by burning one Qur'an last year.

As Muslims and citizens we honor the free speech guaranteed in our constitution. We have no intentions to criticize, condemn or oppose Pastor Terry Jones' freedom of expression. Instead, we will be donating blood and praying for goodness to permeate in our society.

We plan to follow Jesus Christ (pbuh), a revered prophet in Islam as well as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) – that of mitigating the conflicts and nurturing good will for the common good of the society.

We hope, this event and the message will remind Muslims elsewhere in the world as well, that violence is not the way. Muslims, who react violently to senseless provocation, should realize that, violence causes more violence, and besmirches the name of the religion that we hold so dear. We believe that Prophet Muhammad was a mercy to the mankind, and we ought to practice what we believe and preach. We must not insult Islam by the negative reactions of a few.

We can only hope it will bring about a change in the attitude of the followers of Pastor Jones, and in the behavior of those Muslims who reacted violently the last time Pastor sought notoriety – We hope this small step towards a bridge to peaceful coexistence would propel us towards building a cohesive society.

Like most Americans a majority of Muslims quietly go about their own business, but it is time to speak up and take positive action instead of negative reaction. May this message of peace and goodwill reverberate and reach many shores.

Lastly, we appreciate the Citizens of Mulberry, Florida, Honorable Mayor George Hatch, City Commissioners, police and Fire Chiefs for handing this situation very well. This will add a ‘feather of peace’ in the City’s reputation. We hope Mulberry will be a catalyst in showing the way in handling conflict with dignity and peace.

We thank the Media for giving value to the work towards peace rather than conflict.






URL- http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2013/08/planned-muslim-response-to-quran_18.html



Thank you.

CIVIL DIALOGUE

The people in Dallas are making an effort to understand and clean their own hearts first, when we are free from bias, it would be easy to share that with others. Islam teaches us in so many ways to "respect the otherness of others" and it is time we find simple practical ways of doing it.