Showing posts with label Mirza Masroor Ahmed. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Mirza Masroor Ahmed. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Ahmadiyya Muslims translate Quran into Yiddish



Moderator Mike Ghouse's Note:  

I  admire the Ahmadiyya Muslim community for the peaceful work they have been doing, where  ever they go. They bring a good name to Islam and Muslims.

However, no Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu community is free from arrogance and hints that they are better, peaceful, scientific, old...  to claim superiority over the others does not make religious sense. The very first principle of religion, any religion is humility, where every one feels there is a greater power, and that we all have equal opportunity to excel.  Muslims are no exception - its a shame that one tribe claims to be better, legitimate or otherwise, as if God has secretly signed a deal with them - that is non-sense.  I was happy to read the work of Ahmadiyya Muslims in spreading positive thoughts about Islam every place they do their work and I salute them for the same.  

One of the things Ahmadiyya community needs to resist is telling others that "we are the Muslims who advocate peace" not like the other ones. We condemn terrorism, etc etc."  It is not a good statement, you got that wrong, All Muslims advocate peace,  fewer than 1% of Muslims don't; same formula applies to all religions.  It is not just Ahmadiyya, every group has such men, who denigrate the other as if it is going to make them superior.  

Please note the following sentence in the article is not kosher, "You don't hear about us because we don't throw rocks at buses," Odeh said. Its like Romney saying they don't ask my birth certificate because they know I am from here"  By the way, with the limited time I have in a given day, I do note thoughtless comments like the one above. As a persecuted minority, I understand, but still cannot justify such comments. 


As a Muslim I am continually embarrassed by the Muslim behavior in Pakistan and elsewhere, whose Islam is not based on being a good Muslim, but denying others their Muslimness. Muslim are so eager to deny Ahmadiyya their Muslimness, as if they own Islam and God has made them his deputies to render judgments.  What a shirk! Things have to change. 
Mike Ghouse
Moderator.

Group's Israeli leader says aim was to show different face of Islam.

Members of a Muslim sect that translated parts of the Koran into Yiddish are marking 25 years since that translation was published.
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community leader Muhammad Sharif Odeh with the Yiddish text in Haifa
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community leader Muhammad Sharif Odeh with the Yiddish text in Haifa in August 2012. 'We had to make sure our neighbors could read the Koran too.' Photo by Haggai Frid
The president of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Israel, Muhammad Sharif Odeh, said the group translated select parts of the Koran into Yiddish in order to present a different face of Islam. In addition, said Odeh, "We decided we had to make sure that our neighbors could also read the Koran."
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic community that believes the Messiah has come. Adherents believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, born in 1835, was the "metaphorical second coming of Jesus ... whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad," according to the website. "God sent Ahmad, like Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace," say believers.
There are some 2,000 Ahmadiyya Muslims in Israel; most of them reside in Haifa's Kababir neighborhood. The sect says it has tens of millions of followers in more than 200 countries.
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community translated parts of the Koran into Yiddish in 1987. The sect chose Yiddish, one of 100 languages into which it has translated parts of the sacred book of Islam, so that "Yiddish speakers who wanted to know about us would be able to do so without language being an obstacle," Odeh explained.
The decision to translate the Koran into Yiddish was made by the community's religious leader at the time, the fourth Caliph, Mirza Tahir Ahmad, who was living then in Pakistan. The current Caliph, the fifth, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, resides in the United Kingdom.
Odeh said the particular selections that were translated show that Islam is "not the way it is presented in Afghanistan." He noted, for example, "Before the Koran, women did not have rights. The Koran gives women full protection on the spiritual level and gives her an independent status." Odeh has been head of the local Ahmadiyya community for 13 years.
Most Israelis know little about the sect, which is considered peaceful and non-proselytizing. Haifa Mayor Yona Yahav has gone so far as to call them "Reform Arabs." The community's motto is "Love for all, hatred for none."
"You don't hear about us because we don't throw rocks at buses," Odeh said. "We believe that nothing can be achieved through hatred and hostility." He said he is very worried about the talk of a possible war with Iran, and that the Caliph recently appealed to all world leaders, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to avoid a war. "Netanyahu didn't respond, Queen Elizabeth actually did," Odeh reported.
Odeh said the concept of secularism is foreign to the Ahmadiyya community. "Everyone prays, some come to the mosque and others pray at home." Believers express their faith in concrete ways as well. Wealthier members tithe at least 10 percent of their monthly income to the community; everyone else gives six percent. The sect does not accept government funds, on principle. One quarter of the money collected from local members is passed on to fund the sect's international activities.
Kababir is considered a mixed neighborhood, with a significant minority of Jews in addition to the Ahmadiyya majority, and city officials view it as a model of coexistence.
"Haifa is an example par excellence of living together," Odeh said, adding, "It's not coexistence, it's monoexistence, as it were. What is coexistence? In my view it's when everyone keeps their distinctiveness and does not seek to assimilate. Residents of the neighborhood don't feel different, it's a matter of education, that's the idea of Ahmadiyya." According to Odeh, there is a growing trend of West Bank Palestinians joining the Ahmadiyya community.
"Ideology is not fought with weapons," he said. "Even if you're under occupation Islam does not allow you to hurt others. Nothing can be solved with hatred."

Friday, March 2, 2012

A Draft proposal to Ahmadiyya Muslims on March 2, 2012

THIS IS A DRAFT PROPOSAL
Irfan and I will develop and fine tune this after a few responses.

As a Muslim it concerns me that some among us are violating the very thing Islam stands for; to be just. Given the amount of discussions we have had on the topic, (much of which is preserved at: www.WorldMuslimCongress.org) and the contributions many have made towards the understanding, Irfan and I will make an effort to put a proposal together.

I invite positive contributions on the topic from our esteemed forum members, in 75 words or less to make this a fruitful proposal. These two forums will set the limits on this particular thread, but those who want to write more, are welcome to the unrestricted group; PaksitaniAmericans@yahoogroups.com. On these two forums, World Muslim Congress and Dallas Pakistanis, I will not post anything that is not constructive and beyond 75 words. As an example, this paragraph is 75 words.

Given below are two draft notes from me and Irfan:

A proposal for the Ahmadiyya Muslims to consider, which will lessen the hostility of a few among Sunnis and Shias towards them, and it is necessary for us to preserve the value of Islam as a religion of peace and justice.

The three easiest issues are:

THE WORD KAFIR:

Even though technically there is nothing wrong with it, as it simply means denier of my version of the truth. However it has become a derogatory word over the years.  One of the Khalifas had said that anyone who does not accept Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as the promised Messiah is a Kafir, a denier.

We ask the current Khalifa Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad to make a public declaration that anyone who claims himself to be a Muslim and recites the Shahada (that is a Muslim pledge declaring that Allah is the God and Muhammad is his prophet) is a Muslim.  No ifs and buts. This will make it easy for a few among us to get off the high horse and respect the Khalifas words, I will be one of them and most moderate Muslims want to hear that as well.


THE PRAYERS/NAMAZ

I have done my personal share, by going to the Ahmadiyya Masajid, pray behind the Imam leading the prayers,  break the Ramadan fasts with fellow Muslim. Murabbi Saheb is a kind man, his presence and his demeanor is awe inspiring, a model Imam to respect with heart and I do that with all my heart.  On the other hand a few of my Ahmadiyya friends did not reciprocate the same and were given reasons that how could they pray behind an Imam who does not believe in them. Of course, this is not a game of keeping scores; but emulating the ultimate peace maker, the Rahmatul Aalameen, the good will nurturer Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).  I will continue to do my share of goodwill regardless of the results.

It will give a lot of comfort to non-Ahmadi Muslims, to see Ahmadi Muslims to swing by the nearest Mosque when the time for prayers hit, and go pray behind the Imam leading the prayers, be who it is; Shia, Sunni, Bohra, Warith Deen Muhammad or any group of Muslims where public worship is allowed.

Restrictions not to pray behind a Sunni or Shia imam must be lifted. It is not the Imam's niyyat, it is the niyyat (intent) of the banda (worshipper) to worship Allah that matters, and Masjid and imam are merely vehicles.

 THOSE MUSLIMS

It is not kosher to say, that we are the peaceful Muslims and others are not; I was the other Muslim when I heard that, and I held back and talked and wrote about it, as that is the civil thing to do.   

I urge the same to all Muslims not to present ourselves as angels and others as devils. It has come to haunt us in Dallas. One of the Chest thumping Muslims was excited to talk with an informant and lied about a Mosque and labeled it as funded by Saudi (as if it is evil). The idiot did not realize the mess he had created.

To most Christians, Jews and Hindus, we are all Muslims, they really don’t know the difference between an Ahmadi, Shia, Sunni… or other, just as most of us don’t know the difference between a Presbyterian, Baptist or a Methodist.  If we tell them that we are the good guys, peace loving Muslims and the other Muslims are not; they simply laugh at it, and see that we are attempting to save our tail. They really don’t believe us.

They rather, see us be brutally honest. I was giving a Dinner talk to an all white Christian and Jewish group when I addressed the radicals as “some among us” don’t see what the majority sees… they really liked it. I did not stand there and tell that we are all clean good people and deny that we don’t have the bad ones among us, yes among us. They related the bad among them.

Please do share the harassment and persecution Ahmadiyya Muslims are facing in Pakistan and other Muslim majority nations. The harassment comes from the bad guys from “among us.” There is a lot of work we need to do.

I urge Hazrat Mirza Masroor to guide the Ahmadiyya Muslims to speak all the good things they are doing, and I know and appreciate that. It is a collective good that all Muslims benefit from the good things Ahmadi Muslims do.

The Sunnis do not have a leader, but they want the good for all, clarify these things for us, and for those who are no sure about Ahmadiyya, but deep down want goodness.

Mike Ghouse

Note to Irfan – they did send me the info about Kafir and Namaz, but it needs to be on their site, and part of their milieu and public declaration.

HERE IS IRFAN’S PROPOSAL

Your proposal is very well-intentioned and addresses a very pressing need of the Muslims (especially Pakistani Muslims) to reconcile their beliefs with those of the Ahmadi Muslims.  I have no doubt in my mind that Ahmadis are not only Muslims, but good Muslims.  They have considerable positive contribution in the progress and development of Pakistan. They are well-educated, well-behaved and civilized, extremely well-disciplined in their professional and religious life.  It is very unfortunate that they are being treated so unfairly, rather cruelly because of their interpretation of the phrase khaatam-an-Nabiyyeenâ.  Personally, I do not agree with their interpretation but I would not have bad feelings about them, let alone curse them openly or, worse, be an abettor in legislating a piece of constitutional amendment against their faith.

That said, I believe that a big part of the hatred that have plagued Pakistani social milieu in general, and Ahmadi Muslims in particular,  is because of the thinking of their top leadership (beginning from Mirza Bashiruddin Mehmud) that anyone who does not believe in the Promised Messiahship/prophethood of Mirza G. A, is akaafir. If you recall, I posted my concern several times recently on your forum but no Ahmadi Muslim addressed my concern (it is also alleged that Sir Zafarullah Khan—the first foreign minister of Pakistan--an extremely bright mind—did not attend the M. A. Jinnah’s funeral because he did not consider (allegedly) him a Muslim).  Now, if this attitude coming from the top and trickling downstream continues, I don’t think our combined efforts will bear much fruit. 
You and I can very effectively make a case for anyone who believes in oneness of God, prays, gives poor-due, fasts, goes to Hajj once in a lifetime being a Muslim. But I am not sure if we can bring Mirza Tahir Ahmad sahib to the table and request him to change their (hidden) thinking (I say ‘hidden’ because, I think, they do not like to declare their inner policy for non-Ahmadis openly).  If you still think it’s worth trying, I am with you 100%.    
I do believe that if the Ahmadi Muslims can be convinced to change their inner thinking of considering non-Ahmadis as non-Muslims, everything else (praying behind a non-Ahmadi imam, visiting non-Ahmadi mosques, avoiding proselytization) can easily fit in the groove and the world will have a much reduced level of hostility towards them. If they can do that, that will do them and their future a lot of good.  They can invite people to their conferences, invited lectures but I think they should avoid proselytization and debates as much as possible.

Who knows, so much good may come out of the change in the core pattern of Ahmadi leadership thinking that folks like you and I can, one day, make a strong case in Pak SC (hopefully I. A. Choudhry will stay as CJ) to have the 1974 second amendment repealed!

Irfan

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quraan burning

Planned Muslim Response to Qur'an Burning by Pastor Jones on September 11 in Mulberry, Florida

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August 19, 2013| Dallas, Texas

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PLANNED MUSLIMS RESPONSE TO QUR'AN BURNING BY PASTOR JONES ON 9/11/13 IN MULBERRY, FLORIDA

We as Muslims plan to respond to pastor Terry Jones' planned burning of 3000 copies of Quran on September 11, 2013 in positive terms.

Our response - we will reclaim the standard of behavior practiced by the Prophet concerning “scurrilous and hostile criticism of the Qur’an” (Muhammad Asad Translation Note 31, verse 41:34). It was "To overcome evil with good is good, and to resist evil by evil is evil." It is also strongly enjoined in the Qur’an in the same verse 41:34, “Good and evil deeds are not equal. Repel evil with what is better; then you will see that one who was once your enemy has become your dearest friend.”

God willing Muslims will follow the divine guidance and pray for the restoration of Goodwill, and on that day many Muslim organizations will go on a “blood drive” to save lives and serve humanity with kindness.

We invite fellow Americans of all faiths, races, and ethnicities to join us to rededicate the pledge, “One nation under God”, and to build a cohesive America where no American has to live in apprehension, discomfort or fear of fellow Americans. This event is a substitute for our 10th Annual Unity Day Celebration (www.UnitydayUSA.com) held in Dallas, but now it will be at Mulberry, Florida.

Unwittingly Pastor Jones has done us a favor by invigorating us by his decision to burn nearly 3000 copies Quran on September 11, 2013. Obviously he is not satisfied by the notoriety he garnered by burning one Qur'an last year.

As Muslims and citizens we honor the free speech guaranteed in our constitution. We have no intentions to criticize, condemn or oppose Pastor Terry Jones' freedom of expression. Instead, we will be donating blood and praying for goodness to permeate in our society.

We plan to follow Jesus Christ (pbuh), a revered prophet in Islam as well as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) – that of mitigating the conflicts and nurturing good will for the common good of the society.

We hope, this event and the message will remind Muslims elsewhere in the world as well, that violence is not the way. Muslims, who react violently to senseless provocation, should realize that, violence causes more violence, and besmirches the name of the religion that we hold so dear. We believe that Prophet Muhammad was a mercy to the mankind, and we ought to practice what we believe and preach. We must not insult Islam by the negative reactions of a few.

We can only hope it will bring about a change in the attitude of the followers of Pastor Jones, and in the behavior of those Muslims who reacted violently the last time Pastor sought notoriety – We hope this small step towards a bridge to peaceful coexistence would propel us towards building a cohesive society.

Like most Americans a majority of Muslims quietly go about their own business, but it is time to speak up and take positive action instead of negative reaction. May this message of peace and goodwill reverberate and reach many shores.

Lastly, we appreciate the Citizens of Mulberry, Florida, Honorable Mayor George Hatch, City Commissioners, police and Fire Chiefs for handing this situation very well. This will add a ‘feather of peace’ in the City’s reputation. We hope Mulberry will be a catalyst in showing the way in handling conflict with dignity and peace.

We thank the Media for giving value to the work towards peace rather than conflict.






URL- http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2013/08/planned-muslim-response-to-quran_18.html



Thank you.

CIVIL DIALOGUE

The people in Dallas are making an effort to understand and clean their own hearts first, when we are free from bias, it would be easy to share that with others. Islam teaches us in so many ways to "respect the otherness of others" and it is time we find simple practical ways of doing it.