First of all, Our Christian
and Jewish members have said it well, one sums it, “Mike, You have
put this out on your group's email and the lie has been exposed. Since
apparently any leader of a mosque can write a "hadith" - it has been discovered
that this is not Islam - just some leader's opinion. Thanks for being open -
better to expose lies than ignore them or cover them up.”
If we don’t condemn
this, it gets to be believed that it
must be true, since no Muslim raised the voice against it. It is necessary to
condemn the wrong things first, rather than let it grow and grow.
Secondly, I have
appended the original note below, and the notes from Sheila Musaji and Khalid
Azam about their find on the bogus nature of it, and have just added the
comments from Gehan, Arif, Hasan, Irtaza and Jazoo to a few others from yesterday.
Gehan – my apologies for not
responding to Arif’s note before you did. As Muslims and members of the civil
societies we cannot stereo type any Muslims. Arif, there are bad dudes among
all of us, and bad moments within each one of us. Gehan’s comment about your
note is right on! Please refrain from stereotyping any one.
Nadeem – the question is not
whether anyone believed or not in the report, stuff like this is out on the
net, the question is if any one condemned it or not. Alhamdu Lillah, we have,
even though it is false, we have gone on the record that it was a wrong fatwa. There
is awareness about it.
Jazoo – there are many false
fabricated Hadiths in circulation out there, you asked for it, there are two
quote from Hasan and Irtaza below - Kanz
al-‘Umal - intolerable
Hadith about the Prophet. It outraged me to no end, and I had to sit and pray
and ask God to give me guidance. You read
it if you have the stomach. For you and I, it is a fabricated Hadith, for
others, it is not, it is in the book – that is all they know. I hope you can
see differentiate between the perceptions and realities.
Jazoo, you and Nafis did not like to know about these and did not want to see
it published… but it is out there and we simply cannot bury our heads in the
sand.
By the way, I have written
the article on the topic and Dr.Imam Zia Shaikh is reviewing and will be adding
his take on the topic – his latest book “silencing the critics” is available on
Amazon, it is a book worth reading. We
have to acknowledge and refute the lies, if not they will be going in circle un-checked.
Mike Ghouse
From Gehan
With all due respect Mr Arif Khairuddin ... I find
your comment very derogatory of Egyptian Muslims ... not to mention biased of
your own, since you seem to only give credence to fatwas coming from India,
Syria etc ...
You may want to call the EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT
stooges ... BUT NOT EGYPTIAN MUSLIMS or for that matter Al Azhar, the oldest
and most respected Islamic University .....!!! I take great exception to what
you say!!! especially if you do not understand the politics of what is going on
at present ... you may want to check the previous messages in this chain to
find out that it was NOT TRUE, and certain western media thrive on perpetuating
such "untruths" ...
HONESTLY!!!!
Gehan
From Arif Khairuddin
Edicts from just and muslim countries have sense. Based on my experience,
Fatwas from only 4 organizations should be binding: Deoband, Nizamal Ul Uloom,
both from India, the one in South Africa and the one in Syria. Basically,
anything which is harmful to living things is Haram in Islam. And a dead wife
is 'Ghayr' Mahrim to a man, so he should not even look at her! By virtue of
previous two statements it is abhorable to even think about such absurdities!
Egypt is a stooge of special interests,
one must expect muslim defaming fatwas coming from there! You may recall
another Fatwa from Egypt banning the handling of Banana and Cucumber by women!
May Allah(SWT) give sanity to these
mischief mongers, Amen!
Sent from my iPhone4
Salaam,
The story was not accurate at all. No
one raised the question in Egypt, although there was one Imam in Morocco who
made a statement on this over a year ago. I have written an in-depth discussion
about the entire story
About that Supposed Egyptian Necrophilia
Law
God bless,
Sheila Musaji
Amina Jindali
Egypt’s MPs deny existence of sex-after-death law, confirm early
marriage draft
Members of the Egyptian parliament
responded to the uproar caused by Egyptian and Arab media reports about a new
law that would allow a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours
after her death and denied existence of any such draft. “This is indecent and
nonsense. The whole issue is unacceptable. It is even unacceptable to give any
statement to media about this issue,†Islamist MP
Mamdouh Ismail told Al Arabiya. The news about passing the so-called ‘Farewell
Intercourse’ law by the country’s Islamist-dominated parliament was first
reported by Egyptian state-run al-Ahram newspaper and Egyptian ON TV on
Tuesday. It was picked up and analyzed by Al Arabiya English a day later,
following which international media picked up the story.
EGYPTIAN RIGHTS OFFICIAL SAYS ‘FAREWELL INTERCOURSE’ LEGISLATION WAS NEVER
PROPOSED NOR DEBATED
Last week, ThinkProgress and other news
outlets reported that Egypt’s parliament was considering a controversial law
allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her
death. Newer reports show that this story originated from Egypt’s state-owned
newspaper, Al Ahram, a newspaper with a long track record of “devoting
hagiographic and occasionally utterly frabricated coverage to [former Egyptian
President Hosnu Mubarak] and his regime,†reports the
Christian Science Monitor’s Dan Murphy. His report adds that Mervat
el-Tallawy, the head of Egypt’s National Council for Women, “issued a
statement today that says she’s concerned about legislation that may harm the
position of women in Egypt, but that there was never any ‘sex after death
law’ under consideration, let alone one she complained about.â€
Mike,
We rightfully condemn our Imams and Alims whenever they do
something obstinate. Remember another case just like sex with dead wife? We
exploded when an Egyptian high level Imam commented that women should
breastfeed unrelated adults in certain circumstances. But trust me whatever
they do normally has a theological support. Thye are only following those.
There are not one but two Sahi Hadises that record Prophet
advising women to breastfeed unrelated adults. Similarly, there is another
record of the Prophet having sex with his dead aunty inside the grave ! It is
not in our 23,000 Sahi Hadises nor in 16,000 Shiite Hadises but in Kanjul
Ummal, a collection of 40,000 Sunni “Sahi” Hadises. This book was considerably
used to create many violent Sharia laws.
Simply remember Imam Zia’s comment that FGM is cultural. He
bypassed at least ten Islamic roots that I quoted. That way you can never
defeat FGM and likes.
The Egyptian scenario proves that we have many miles to go.
Blaming the Imams/Alims/Al Azhar University without addressing the theological
root will certainly fail us, as it did for centuries.
Hasan.
alamun Alaykum.
There is no such thing in the Quran as
farewell sex with dead wife.
However, as always, you will find
anything you want in the hadith books. The enemies of Prophet, as stated
in the Quran, were heavily engaged in writing all the bad stuffs and
attributed them to the Prophet. They added some good stuffs with bad
stuffs and created hadith books, so that no one can understand the satanic
trics!
[6:112] We have
permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in
each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done
it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
There is a
hadith that exists in Kanz al-‘Umal by Mutaqi al-Hindi andAl-Hujja
fi Biyan al-Mahujja, an authoritative text on Sunni Doctrine, by Abu Qassim
al-Asbahani.
According
to this hadith, Muhammad took off his shirt and placed it on a
dead woman and “lay†with her in the grave. The
buriers proceeded to bury the corpse and the prophet with dirt, exclaiming,
“O Prophet, we see you do a thing you never did with anyone else,†to which Muhammad responded: “I have dressed her in my shirt so that
she may be dressed in heavenly robes, and I have laid with her in her grave so
that the pressures of the grave [also known as Islam’s “torments of the graveâ€] may be
alleviated from her.â€
Thank you and
may God guide me,
Muhammed
Irtaza
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Mike WS
A disgust on making a mountain out of mole for no apparent
reason other than championing the Islamic ideology without knowing an iota of
Islam, is not personal attack.
Be a gentleman and to show you are a decent person...Cite the
false hadith with complete quote.
Pl dare not lecture me on ethics and code of conduct on these
forums...spreading the demeaning disinformation about Islam and Prophet of
Islam in between the lines as casual talk is not acceptable and its below
moral for someone who still pretend to be Muslim.
Jazoo
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AA
Khalid, Saala and Nafis;
Your responses are appreciated.
We have at least three choices in responding to
falsities like this
1. Don't even read it.
2. Not doing anything about it, wich may cause
it to multiply on the net, then
it will be too much of a fire to handle. The
ones who know about it, have a
responsibility tp speak out.
3. condemning the wrong up front has its own
merits
A. At least those on the margins will not believe
it
B. A debate will follow and the truth will
surface
C. A lot more crap will surface, and it has.
there is a Hadith that says prophet
did it, naoozubillah
D. As Muslims, shall we remain silent about
false Hadiths and let the issue
remain in the market?
Ofcourse, we do not have a body to put an end to
this, as a result we have
allowed perpetuation of these issues. Should we
not speak up at least in our
own nucleus?
Condemning is the right thing to do, finding the
truth and solutions is even
better.
JAK
Mike Ghouse
Egypt
'necrophilia law'? Hooey, utter hooey.
'Necrophilia
law'? Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until
there's like, you know, some proof.
Today, Egypt's state-owned Al Ahram newspaperpublished an opinion piece
by Amr Abdul Samea, a past stalwart supporter of the deposed Hosni Mubarak, that contained a bombshell:
Egypt's parliament is considering passing a law that would allow husbands to
have sex with their wives after death.
It was soon mentioned in an English
language version of Al-Arabiya and
immediately started zipping around social-networking sites. By this afternoon
it had set news sites and the rest of the Internet on fire. It has every thing:
The yuck factor, "those creepy Muslims" factor, the lulz factor for
those with a sick sense of humor. The non-fact-checked Daily Mail picked it up
and reported it as fact. Then Andrew Sullivan, who has a highly influential
blog but is frequently lax about fact-checking, gave it a boost with an uncritical take. TheHuffington Post went there, too.
There's of course
one problem: The chances of any such piece of legislation being considered by
the Egyptian parliament for a vote is zero. And the chance of it ever passing
is less than that. In fact, color me highly skeptical that anyone is even
trying to advance a piece of legislation like this through Egypt's parliament.
I'm willing to be proven wrong. It's possible that there's one or two lawmakers
completely out of step with the rest of parliament. Maybe.
But extreme, not to
mention inflammatory claims, need at minimum some evidence (and I've
read my share of utter nonsense in Al Ahram over the years). The evidence right
now? Zero.
There was a Moroccan cleric a few years back who
apparently did issue a religious ruling saying that husbands remained married
to their wives in the first six hours after death and, so, well, you know. But
that guy is far, far out on the nutty fringe. How fringe? He also ruled that
pregnant women can drink alcohol. Remember, alcohol is considered haram,
forbidden, by the vast majority of the world's Muslim scholars. Putting an
unborn child at risk to get drunk? No, that's just not what they do. Whatever
the mainstream's unpalatable beliefs (there are plenty from my perspective)
this isn't one of them.
It's important to
remember that the structure of the Muslim clergy is, by and large, like that of
a number of Protestant Christian sects. Anyone can put out a shingle and
declare themselves a preacher. The ones to pay attention to are the ones with
large followings, or attachment to major institutions of Islamic learning. The
preacher in Morocco is like the preacher in Florida who spent so much time and energy
publicizing the burning of Qurans.
Stories like this
are a reminder of the downside of the Internet. It makes fact-checking and
monitoring easier. But the proliferation of aggregation sites, newsy blog
sites, and the general erosion of editorial standards (and on-the-ground
reporters to do the heavy lifting) also spreads silliness faster than it ever
could before.
From Mike Ghouse
I am writing an article on the subject, and hope to get it corrected and
endorsed by our Imams and publish it.
Normally, I ignore these loonies (article below). However, enough of us need to
condemn this for a record. As the President of the World Muslim Congress I
condemn it, and asking Muslim Scholars to condemn this ruling in Egypt that a
man can have farewell sex with his dead wife.
I am also asking our Egyptian friends to verify the veracity of
this piece below.
If you know any Imams and Muslim Scholars who would like to review
the article and become co-authors, please have them send me an email to - WmcArchives@gmail.com
Those clerics who find sexual relief through pornographic Khutbas
about the transparent hoors, and the sex she gives (You Tube is full of them),
and the clerics who find relief imagining disgusting acts of sex with a dead
person, tend to focus on passing these gratuitous laws.
Just as it is wrong to slap the Catholic clergy with sexual
misconduct for the acts of a few, it would be wrong to stereotype all clerics
whether Egyptian, Iranian or Saudi..
Thanks for sharing this, and I will not be surprised if Hannity will not call
me on this. Think about his, who feeds the right wing Media?
Mike Ghouse
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