Some among us may not like what I am about to share.
This is in reference to your sentence, "Thus, whereas you and I may fundementally disagree on Hathrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim to be the Promised Messiah (and surely one of us is right and the other wrong),.."
In religion, facts don't matter; it is the faith that matters and I am pleased with my faith as you are with yours.
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Subject: Muslims Together - Ahmadiyya Muslims February 19, 2012
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To: 'Aurangzeb Khan'
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To: 'Aurangzeb Khan'
Subject: RE: Definition of a Muslim and Khatm e Nabuwat
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To: Amir Rana; samad khan
Subject: Re: Definition of a Muslim and Khatm e Nabuwat
To: Aurangzeb Khan <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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Sent: Sun, February 19, 2012 3:35:38 PM
Subject: Definition of a Muslim and Khatm e Nabuwat
Qadianis would be a sect of Islam if their belief did not entail clear violation of Quran. And in that case they would be a sect of Islam. But their position on not believing that there will be no more prophethood after that of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is more than evident of the Kufr or of Mirza Qadiani and his follower Qadianis.
You are trying to infer from this that believing Holy Prophet (pbuh) to be the last prophet is included in the definition of a â€œMuslimâ€.
Can any definition of a Muslim be found in the Holy Quran, or by the Holy Prophet sa which definition may have been applied without exception during the lifetime of the
Holy Prophet sa? If there does exist such a definition then what is it? And in its presence would a muslim even care to bother of how YOU or I define a MUSLIM??????????????
Or you think that Islam was not perfected by Allah at the hands of Holy Prophet sa????
Can it be considered legitimate for anyone to propose any definition, in any era, which is in disregard of such a definition which is found in the Holy Quran, or by the Holy Prophet sa, a definition that can be shown to have been applied in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet sa????
Please allow me to mention the definition of a Muslim given by Allah the Almighty and please donâ€™t mind if itâ€™s not consistent with your expectations or wishes
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And now letâ€™s look at the sayings of our beloved Master (pbuh) how he defined a Muslim:
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One who observes the same prayer as we do, faces the same direction (in prayer) as we do, and partakes from the animal
slaughtered by us, then such a one is a Muslim concerning whom
there is a covenant of Allah and His Messenger; so you must not
seek to hoodwink Allah in the matter of this Covenant.
[Bukhari Kitabus-Salat, Baab Fazl Istiqbal il-Qibla]
Mr Khan where is the mention of belief in Khatm-e-Nabuwat in this??? Did he forget (God forbid) to mention or Quran and Hadith both could not provide a comprehensive definition of a Muslim????
(Please note that it will be proven later (once you respond to these arguments) that Ahmadis believe Holy Prophet saw to be Khatam an Nabiyeen so strongly and in accord with the teachings of Holy Quran, Ahadith and sayings of saints of Islam)
Please apply the above definitions and now dare to call Ahmadies non Muslims and then read the verse of Surah Maida mentioned on the top of this email and conclude yourself!!!!
There simply cannot be two opinions regarding this. The case is closed.
Now Qadianis may hope to be considered as a sect of Muslims, but Islam is not a claim, but evidence.
You are giving a verdict on someoneâ€™s beliefs and Iman because they hold certain beliefs or interpret certain verses differently
You are also expressing that Islam is not a claim but evidence, means if someone claims he is a muslim this does not mean anything
The following haidth should be enough to open someoneâ€™s eyes who fears Allah:
Hadhrat Usama bin Zaidra relates that the Holy Prophetsa sent us to the oasis of Juhaina tribe. We caught them early in the
morning at their water-fountains. An Ansari and I chased one of them and apprehended him. When we overpowered him, he
exclaimed: La Ilaha Illallah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah) which caused my Ansari Companion to restrain his
hand from him, but I pierced him with a spear and killed him.
When we returned to Medina and the Holy Prophetsa came to know of the incident, he asked: "O, Usama! Did you kill him in spite of the fact that he had recited La Ilaha Illallah?" I replied:
"O, Prophet of Allah! He was saying (these words) merely to ensure his safety." The Holy Prophetsa kept on repeating his question to a point when I wished I had not become a Muslim before that day.
(Another tradition relates)
The Holy Prophet saw
exclaimed: "Why didn't you cut his heart open to make sure if he had said it from the core of his heart?" The Prophet of Allah
repeated this remark so many times that I wished I had not become a Muslim before that day."
[Bukhari, Book of Al Maghaazi, Chapter Ba'ath al-Nabi, Usaamah bin Zaid ilal Harqaat min al-Juhaina, p. 612]
What do you say about this Mr Khan?
Which evidence did Holy Prophet saw asked for??? What will you say to Holy Prophet saw on the day of judgment?
However, I feel for Qadianis. Please don't get me wrong. They want to be Muslims. The hope to be Muslims. But they cannot be Muslims with their Kufr belief at the same time.
That suggests you understand the definition of Kufr very well.
That also suggests that if in oneâ€™s opinion someoneâ€™s beliefs are Kufr he has not right to be considered as a Muslim
Please mention the definition of Kufr from Quran and Ahadith, and based on that definition would you like to state a couple of this Kufr beliefs.
We should realize that
the sword of "Kaafir-making" which is being raised today in
order to cut us down, the same sword has the deadly capability of
not only cutting down the Muslims of Shia or Deobandi persuasions but it can be even deadlier in its potential to cut to pieces, every other school of thought in Islam.
In order to add supporting evidence to substantiate the abovementioned bitter truth, a couple of examples are mentioned below, which
consists of allegations levelled against other sects, for their
Therefore fatawas (not issued by ordinary people like us) on Kufr of each sect by other sects is available, based on your rational no one has the right to consider himself in the pale of Islam. J
Join the club! J
Fatwas for Barelvi Sect
1. They accord the rank of God, the Exalted, to the Holy
[Sham'a-e-Tauheed, p.5, by Maulana Sanaa Ullah Amritsari]
2. In addition to God, they believe the saints to be their problem-solvers (mushkil kushaa) and beseech them for help.
[Anwaar-us-Soofiya, Lahore, August, 1915, p.32]
3. They disbelieve in Khatme Nubuwwat.
[Insaan-e-Kaamil, ch. 36, by Sayyed Abdul Kareem Jaili]
4. They believe that Divine converse and revelation. (wahi and
ilhaam) still continues
[Maykhana-e-Dard, pp. 134-135; Futoohaat-e-Mekkiyyah, vol. 4,
Fatwas for Deobandi Sect
1. They believe that God can lie.
[Fataawa-e-Rasheediyyah, vol. 1, p. 19; Deobandi Mazhab, by
Maulana Ghulam Mehr Ali Shah Golarhvi]
2. They equate the Holy Prophet's knowledge with that of
children, demented persons, and animals.
[Hifz-ul-Eemaan, by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, p. 9, published
3. Satan's knowledge was more vast than that of the Holy
[Braaheen-e-Qaate'ah, by Khalil Ahmad, and approved by
Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi, p. 51]
And the list continuesâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..
I invite Qadianis individually. Please set up a one on one session with me. Bring along their Murrabi if he / she wants to. I will Insha Allah be very able to show them how wrong and contradictory their belief is to Quran and teachings of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
JazkAllah for your invitation. Alhamdolilah ordinary Ahmdies are well-equipped to respond to these simple questions, we donâ€™t need to bother our Murrabis who are busy in spreading the message of Islam around the world, and supremacy of Holy Quran and our beloved Master Prophet (saw).
As a demonstration please watch
or alternatively watch
Please mention a SINGLE belief of Ahmadiyya Jamat that contradicts with Quranâ€¦..
* Please clarify wherever you feel the impression taken is incorrect
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:30:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Muslims together - Ahmadiyya Muslims (72 Sects)
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Diversity is natural and intentional, nothing is alike, and to be different is to be human and that is apparently Godâ€™s plan. The world will never be 100% Muslim, Christian, Hindu or otherwise, however everyone hopes for it as conclusion.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) understood human nature more than anyone else. No wonder Islam is also referred to as the Deen of fitra.
So the number 72 implies diversity and a large number, but not precisely 72. Oddly that number is also used as a selling point by pervert clergy in their pornographic Khutbas, some of which we have watched recently.
Who will go to hell?
So we will have 72 groups with varying beliefs and each one of them is urged to do his or her best, and one of them will earn the ranks, all others will make it with an exception of one or two who will bear the burden of their wrong doing. Ahmadiyya, Bohra, Shia, Sunni, Ismaili, Sufi, Wahabbi, Deen Muhammad are the magnificent groups at this time, and no group will be punished. God does not believe in collective punishment, it will be always the individuals. Exception: The Sodom and Gomorrah community, which we need to, understand as the facts on the dirt are different than interpreted heretofore.
There is no pre-judgment in Islam and only Allah and the individual will know what is in oneâ€™s heart. Allah gives the individual all the opportunities in life, but will not pre-judge any one, that is the wise reason why we have to believe in the Day of Judgment to prevent societies from becoming God.
Allah maintains professional confidentiality to prevent an individual from becoming judgmental towards fellow being. When God is through with the accountability on the appointed day, he will make the decision which no one but God and the person will know. God does not announce it to the public about who is going to hell or heaven, the only way to find out is if you are in their company.
The state does not have the authority to judge oneâ€™s faith, it is Allahâ€™s prerogative. The state as a representative of the people can punish the individual for externalities like theft, breaking a contract, rape and being destructive.
What the Mullahâ€™s of Pakistan, Bangladesh, India (Muslims), Indonesia, Iran or Saudi Arabia has done is usurp authority of God, they have no right to pre-judge or declare anyone. God boldly goes against these governments and Mullahs by telling them in their face without blinking an eye; that, whether you are Jew, Christian, or whatever, he will recompense you for the good you do, and assure everyone, not to worry. Do we get that?
May Allah just give us the capacity to think or take the brain back for lack of use.
Jazak Allah Khair
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